Thursday, October 5

IS ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED? Part 1



Picks a glass of chilled Hollandia strawberry yoghurt.
Gulps it fiercely, as you watch my throat dance like a locomotive engine, from north to south.
Takes the cup off my mouth, leaks my lips from left to right.

Turns to face you.

Thanks to stopping by my blog today, darling.
I believe you’ve probably come here to find an alpha and omega response to that question.

Khum khum (throat clearing)

Let me let you know upfront, that I do not have an alpha and omega response to the question above. However, I intend to hold the torch steadily and clearly as we journey though the bible together. So prepare to find your own answers at the end of this gist.
Now there are two schools of thought in the body of Christ, regarding this subject. One says, “Yes, once Saved is forever saved”. The other says, “No, Once saved is not forever saved”. I believe you belong to one of these schools of thought.

The once saved forever saved proponent is founded in the following scriptures.

Jude 1:24 ”Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy” (KJV)

Romans 8:38-39 “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (KJV)

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” (KJV)

John 6:37However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them”. 

From the above scriptures, they rightly say that
·      Christ is able to keep us from falling.
· Death, angels, principalities, powers, heights, depths, creatures cannot separate us from the love of God.
·    Man is saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus not by his works.
·       Christ will not reject those (the saved) the father has given to him.

If this is all that school of thought says, they are right because the bible doesn’t say what it doesn’t mean.

THE THIN LINE

However, some people (not everyone) who have grasped this school of thought have stretched the word of God out of context.  They say
“It doesn’t matter what a believer does, He is already saved”
They appear to close their eyes to the following truth in those scriptures.
God is able to keep us from falling, but we can choose to fall. This kind of choice is called willful sin.

In  the preceding verses of Jude 1, Apostle Jude made reference to men who have crept into the church with false doctrines-turning God’s grace into shamelessness, unbridled lust and denying Jesus Christ as Lord (Jude 1:4). He then reminded his readers, that God once destroyed the people he saved earlier because they did not believe. (Jude 1:5)

Jude was saying, you’ve believed in Jesus as Lord and savior. If you stopped believing in that truth (by virtue of the false doctrines those men taught), you too will be destroyed regardless of having been saved earlier.

He gave example of angels who kept not (Greek rendition didn’t guard) their first state and are presently bound in everlasting chains under darkness , awaiting judgment (Jude 1:6)

The false doctrine propounded by the men in Jude 1 encouraged people to engage in Lust under the disguise of grace (Jude 1:4). Apostle Jude therefore reminded his readers of how God destroyed (through the vengeance of eternal fire) Sodom and Gomorrah because they gave themselves over to fornication and homosexuality.
These men who crept in were guilty of (Jude 1:8-19)
·        defiling their bodies
·        despising dominion (Lordship)
·        speaking evil of dignities (Greek rendition God’s glory)
·        Murmuring
·        Complaining
·        Blasphemy
·        Going after their own lusts
·        Mocking God and His word
·        Being governed by their feelings (sensual)
They were not only guilty. They were teaching people to do same.

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Apostle Jude then gave the following instruction

To help his readers avoid been pulled off the faith by these men
·        But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost – Jude 1:20 (KJV)
·        Keep (Guard) yourselves in the love (affection feast/ abundant love) of God, looking for (accepting/reveiveing) the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life- Jude 1:21 (KJV) greek emphasis added

On how to relate with people who behave like those men
·        And of some have compassion, making a difference (Jude 1:22)
·        And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
After which He gave glory to God
Jude 1:24-25 ”Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy” To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. (KJV)

The extremists (not everyone) in this school of thought do not consider the preceding verses before Jude 1:24.
The preceding verses shows that the saved must 

1.  Be careful of those men who teach and practice the above false doctrines because if they joined the men, they will be lost.

2.    Be careful as they try to minister to others (do it with fear so you won’t be stained/become like them). 
Verse 24, was giving thanks to God (who) has the capacity to keep us from falling but also needs our cooperation. The reason Jude kept saying, “Guard yourselves, Be careful”

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THE SECOND SCRIPTURE

Romans 8:38-39 “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (KJV) Apostle Paul mentioned a lot of things except SIN as an agent of separation from the Love of God.

Again, let’s look into the preceding verses

Romans 8:1- “There is therefore now no condemnation (Penalty after being judged guilty) to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (KJV) Greek renditions added

If the above statement is true, then there is a condemnation (Penalty after being judged guilty) to them which walk after the flesh.
What does it mean to walk after the flesh?

It is to follow your sinful desires and thereby fulfil the works of the flesh.
Galatians 5:16-25 explains  “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

This again shows that the believer can choose (willfully) to follow the spirit of God or his flesh.

It was after encouraging his readers to walk in the spirit as heirs of salvation, did he say nothing shall separate us

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5 comments:

  1. I want to try to put this as simple and concise as possible so as not to bore you.

    From scripture (NEW TESTAMENT) there are two categories of people that will not make heaven.

    1. The unbeliever: For Refusing to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and confess him as his lord. Rom 10:9

    2. The believer: For Stopping to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and confessing him as not being his lord anymore. Heb 6:4-6

    NOW for the new creation making heaven or hell has nothing to do with sin. Whether sin before he became born again or after he became born again. Sin has been paid for. Sin has been dealt with. John 1:29. (believe it or not JESUS has taken it all away. Past, Present and the future sins). There is no sin strong enough to take the new creation to hell. Whether wilful or not. Because the new creation redemption is eternal. Even the blood of goats cleansed the people for a whole year irrespective of their sins. And I bet if it was the blood of a human being it would have been strong enough to cleanse the people for maybe 5 to 20years. How much more the precious blood of Jesus the bible say he obtained ETERNAL redemption for us. Heb 9:12 (abeg no be me write am oooo)

    The effect of sin on the new creation is that ''He will not be able to become ALL and enter into the fullness of ALL that God has planned and prepared for him here on earth'' He will live a defeated life here on earth and that's so so sad!

    But if he dies he will make heaven. 1cor3:11-15. Heaven is a done deal for the new creation!

    The more reason we say once saved forever saved. Because SIN no longer has the power to determine the destination of the new creation in Christ. The only thing that can stop the new creation from making heaven is for him to come to a place where he no longer believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus and confesses that Jesus is no longer is lord. Until then he is forever heaven bound!

    #DaSOn

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    1. Hi Dason, Thank you so much for your detailed comment.
      I believe that the two category of people you mentioned won't make heaven. God was clear on that. JESUS remains the only access to be accepted by God and whoever rejects him has no other atonement to look forward to.

      On the subject of sin, I also believe I have made my convinctions clear to my readers. Therefore, there won't be no need for me to write further on the subject.

      At the beginning of this post, I said I didn't have an alpha and omega answer. I simply placed scriptures before them and I have given everyone the opportunity to decide and form their own convitions.

      My conviction is this, Sin seperates. Sin was dealt with by Christ but the believer can choose to walk in sin. I do not believe that sin affects the believer only on earth. If the bible says nothing unclean shall enter that city, then nothing unclean shall enter (Revelation 21). Again, that is my conviction.

      Like Apostle Paul said, we know in part (1 Corinthians 13:9), therefore, it is not important if we (the body of Christ) agree on this issue or not. What is important is that we continue to present JESUS AS THE ONLY WAY and walk in love with each other irrespective of our differences in convictions.
      Afterall, none of us contributed one pint of blood for Jesus who gave all his blood so it will be wrong for believers to condemn one another because we don't agree on a subject (you didn't condemn me dear. I'm speaking to others who may see our posts and try to start an amageddon battle here. LOL)

      Finally, I'll rather live and walk fully in my identity as the righteousness of God in Christ, making every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness (hagiasmos- purification, consecration, sanctification of heart) NO ONE will the Lord.(Hebrews 12:14).

      I'll rather do Hebrews 12:14 and wake up after death and realised it was not necessary than live like sin will only affect me on earth and wake up to realise I can't see the Lord.

      Hugs

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  2. Hi Dason, Thank you so much for your detailed comment.
    I believe that the two category of people you mentioned won't make heaven. God was clear on that. JESUS remains the only access to be accepted by God and whoever rejects him has no other atonement to look forward to.

    On the subject of sin, I also believe I have made my convinctions clear to my readers. Therefore, there won't be no need for me to write further on the subject.

    At the beginning of this post, I said I didn't have an alpha and omega answer. I simply placed scriptures before them and I have given everyone the opportunity to decide and form their own convitions.

    My conviction is this, Sin seperates. Sin was dealt with by Christ but the believer can choose to walk in sin. I do not believe that sin affects the believer only on earth. If the bible says nothing unclean shall enter that city, then nothing unclean shall enter (Revelation 21). Again, that is my conviction.

    Like Apostle Paul said, we know in part (1 Corinthians 13:9), therefore, it is not important if we (the body of Christ) agree on this issue or not. What is important is that we continue to present JESUS AS THE ONLY WAY and walk in love with each other irrespective of our differences in convictions.
    Afterall, none of us contributed one pint of blood for Jesus who gave all his blood so it will be wrong for believers to condemn one another because we don't agree on a subject (you didn't condemn me dear. I'm speaking to others who may see our posts and try to start an amageddon battle here. LOL)

    Finally, I'll rather live and walk fully in my identity as the righteousness of God in Christ, making every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness (hagiasmos- purification, consecration, sanctification of heart) NO ONE will see the Lord.(Hebrews 12:14).

    I'll rather do Hebrews 12:14 and wake up after death only to realise it was not necessary; than live like sin will only affect me on earth and wake up to realise I can't enter the city nor see the Lord.

    Hugs

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  3. Sweetheart Me and you na paddy that's why I am free to comment on your post. I hardly comment on controversial post. And besides you said let's gist. And for the records I admire and I believe in you.

    Like you said you just laid down the scriptures for and against the topic at hand (even though from the post we can clearly see your bias) Next time try to be as elusive as the Cheshire wild cats.lolz

    But let me JUST GIST ON some of your personal conviction which I respect a whole lot.

    I quote you:
    My conviction is this, Sin separates. Sin was dealt with by Christ but the believer can choose to walk in sin. I do not believe that sin affects the believer only on earth. If the bible says nothing unclean shall enter that city, then nothing unclean shall enter (Revelation 21). Again, that is my conviction.

    Sincerely I believe that Sin cannot separate the new creation from God. Infact nothing can.
    Rom8:39 Message bible.
    None of this fazes us because Jesus loves us. I’m absolutely convinced that nothing—nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable—absolutely NOTHING can get between us and God’s love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us. (No be me talk am Ooooooo)
    That was true under the law but not in this dispensation GRACE!

    Also the new creation committing an act of sin does not make him to be unclean.
    Revelation 21 is not talking about sins committed by believers. It's talking about anything that has not been sanctified by God. And as you know the new creation has been sanctified by God and declared holy.
    1 Corinthians 6:11
    And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    1 Corinthians 1:30-31
    It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

    Lastly I quote you again
    I'll rather do Hebrews 12:14 and wake up after death only to realise it was not necessary; than live like sin will only affect me on earth and wake up to realise I can't enter the city nor see the Lord.

    Looooooooooooooolz sweetheart!
    Heaven for the new creation is not a place he second guesses. It's not a place he will enter after living right on earth. It's a place he automatically enters immediately he becomes born again waiting for the fullness of time for him to appear there in person.

    Ephesians 2:6 King James Bible
    And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    Like you said we don't have to agree on every issue. I strongly concur to that.

    Finally I believe that the new creation is the only specie on earth that has the ability (grace) to live a sin free life.

    Rom 6:11 King James Bible
    Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    So living a sin free life is not something that is beyond the new creation. Infact he was designed to live that way.

    But it's not going to happen all of a sudden. He is going to go through a process. He is going to fail and falter along the way but if he must continues to look into the perfect law of liberty and fellowship, its only a matter of time that he will be fully transformed to the image of the son of God on the outside as he already is on the inside.

    So start your process of becoming dead to sin TODAY! (Am not talking to you Anne oooo you don already be spiricoco)

    #DaSOn

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  4. I believe heaven is a place the believer dwells the moment he becomes born again.
    However, I believe he won't appear in person at the fullness of time (at death or by rapture), IF he willfuly continues to walk contrary to the nature of God (unrighteousness/ungodliness) in him.

    Wilful and unconfessed sin ruins things in death or at the rapture for the believer.
    Therefore, we are supposed to simply walk in righteousness afterall Christ has enabled us to.

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